Escaping Gilead! The Handmaid’s Tale Podcast (Episode 408)

PHOTO EMBARGOED FOR USE UNTIL June 2nd, 2021. The Handmaid’s Tale — “Testimony” – Episode 408 — June confronts Fred and Serena in court and challenges Emily to face a painful reminder of her Gilead past. Lawrence presents Aunt Lydia with a newly captured, familiar Handmaid. Moira (Samira Wiley), June (Elisabeth Moss), and Emily (Alexis Bledel), shown. (Photo by: Sophie Giraud/Hulu)

This week we chat about:

  • June’s style of “healing” and whether or not she’s playing with fire trying to rile up the former handmaids
  • The previously thought unlikely source of support the Waterfords found in Canada
  • Lydia’s struggle to remain relevant
  • And pretty much everything else in the episode
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For the first three seasons, you might have been listening to Paul and Caroline as the “Daley Review”, faithfully analyzing each episode of The Handmaid’s Tale. Since January of 2020, they’ve decided to team up with to form Pod Clubhouse and continue reviewing the show under that banner. You’ll get the same analysis and the same repartee only a married couple can give, just under a new name: Escaping Gilead! The Handmaid’s Tale Podcast!

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This podcast was recorded, edited, and produced at Pod Clubhouse Studios and is a Pod Clubhouse Original Production.

6 Replies to “Escaping Gilead! The Handmaid’s Tale Podcast (Episode 408)”

  1. Margaret

    I was surprised that the hosts didn’t issue a correction about asserting last episode that June had lied to Luke about seeing Hannah at a lake house. And then they doubled down on it again by saying this “lie” would taint her testimony. Scenes from that meeting were shown in the “previously on” segment. Her lie was the omission that she had seen Hannah more recently, which she seemed to be ready to admit to Luke at the end of the episode.
    Here’s a recap of the episode at the lake house, where much of the dialogue June repeated to Luke is shown to be word for word.

    • Paul Daley

      Thanks for writing in, Margaret. Thanks for the reference. We try to address what we meant more fully in our episode 9 podcast. Thanks for listening and write in any time!

  2. kerry mackinnon

    i’m super confused about your take on the story of when june met hannah “at the lake house.” the story she tells luke _is_ the story of what happened when she met hannah at that abandoned house in which she later gave birth to nichole. maybe we just didn’t know it was a lake house? it’s not a lie. the lie was that it was the last time she saw her.

    on a different topic, i’m going to start thinking of myself as the incredible hulk now. i am a special education resource teacher, working in a special education school (and it’s actually deafblind awareness month where i live! i’ve been helping to make a wave from coast to coast!), and i’m still _constantly_ advocating for my students, both on an individual level within the school, and collectively in the community. i was chatting with my mom about it one night last week (she was a VP at the school where i currently work), and shedding actual tears of frustration. I WORK IN A SCHOOL DESIGNED FOR KIDS WITH SPECIAL NEEDS; why do i have to advocate within the walls? so…that part of the podcast got me right in the feels.

    being ready to hulk out for my kids is a place i always seem to come from, though i do it with data, facts, reports, numbers, and et cetera rather than pure emotional response. i totally appreciated what you were saying about the need to compartmentalize, and also the need to have a place to dial it up to 10. for me, that place was a gas station parking lot on the phone with my mom last wednesday night.

    • Paul Daley

      Thanks for writing in, Kerry. We try to address what we meant more fully in our episode 9 podcast. Thanks for listening and write in any time!
      We totally get you with needing to know when to hulk out.

  3. Troy Fonopo

    I don’t know why you guys keep saying that June lied about her meeting with Hannah. She hasn’t lied, she described the meeting with Hannah in the season 2 episode “The Last Ceremony”. That meeting and the three other times she’s seen Hannah are engraved in my memory they are each heartbreaking in their own special way.

    The first from a soundproofed car in which she’s locked. Which lead to the June’s first (I think) epic verbal smackdown of Serena. (Seriously it’s the best, one of the most satisfying moments from season 1).

    The second at the lake house as partially described to Luke, Hannah literally asks June why she didn’t look for her harder.

    The third at the McKenzie house which Hannah sleeps through, June kisses her on the cheek and leaves a red thread tied around her wrist. She then has a conversation with Mrs McKenzie.

    And the fourth, the last which is no doubt fresher in your memories that the other three.

    The main point is she hasn’t lied in a way that is likely to have adverse consequences for her as a witness against the Waterfords. Because what she told Luke and he passed on to Tuelo is the absolute and literal truth.

    • Paul Daley

      Thanks for writing in, Troy. We try to address what we meant more fully in our episode 9 podcast. Thanks for listening and write in any time!

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